who is it ok for pedophiles to fantasize about?

## who is it ok for pedophiles to fantasize about?

#### 18 July 2014
from celibate pedophiles

### ethan edwards

| Given that we are for moral reasons totally unable to express our sexuality with children, our right to private sexual fantasy would seem if anything a bit more important than for ordinary folks. Ethan Edwards is the co-founder of Virtuous Pedophiles. Blog posts reflect his personal views, and are not statements from the organization. In previous posts I've argued that we pedophiles don't choose our attraction and can't change it. I've argued that a lot of pedophiles never abuse children. And I've argued that pedophiles deserve civil liberties and the right to seek happiness like anyone else. Given that we are for moral reasons totally unable to express our sexuality with children, our right to private sexual fantasy would seem if anything a bit more important than for ordinary folks. I've argued that fantasizing about children does not in the general case increase the danger to children and might decrease it.The sex-positive view would suggest that there be no restrictions on the kinds of sexual activities a pedophile fantasizes about. In fact, most pedophile fantasies seem to be gentle, but in the sex-positive view anything between consenting adults is just fine. Here there's only one person involved — a consenting adult all by himself. Some feminists take a dramatically different position. The feminist demand that men treat women fairly regardless of their sexual feelings is one I support wholeheartedly. Quite different is the demand that men should not 'objectify' women sexually, because while it is intended to promote that worthy goal, it is a demand to rearrange the internal furniture of the male mind, not how he behaves. The demand would seem to have no boundaries to it, and would extend to disapproval of fantasizing about friends, coworkers, former lovers and even current lovers — perhaps masturbation would be OK if there were no fantasies involving another body at all? If sex is only appropriate with very particular kinds of feelings as part of a loving, long-term relationship, that is far too restrictive. I subscribe to the view that you can't harm someone by any private action if you know they will never discover indirectly or directly what you did. An individual fantasizer's own moral beliefs sometimes guide his own actions, and he would limit his fantasies. That's as it should be. But with regard to the "do no harm" morality that governs a society run on the basis of civil liberties, there is no cause for an objection. You may think it is immoral for me to fantasize privately about you, but society's laws should not be crafted to take account of your belief. For a dramatic example, if a man sees me during the day and later fantasizes privately about sex with me, and then torturing me and cooking me for dinner, it's none of my business. There is no harm to me in his train of thought. Here are some facts: If your 14-year-old daughter goes out jogging, any ordinary man who sees her might fantasize about her later. If a pedophile sees a 6-year-old girl playing on the swings, her image might come to his mind later during masturbation. If there's a web picture of a boys' swim team or a pool party, one of those boys might end up in a pedophile's daydream. If you have a video of your daughter's ballet class posted, a pedophile might watch it repeatedly. You should in fact be prepared for these eventualities regardless of anything I say. But I gently suggest that those private thoughts really aren't your proper concern. I realize that many people will have a gut reaction to this — perhaps screaming in horror and revulsion. A man fantasizing about sexual activity with children? It's gross! It's disgusting! It's sick! It's wrong! I understand those feelings and I don't judge them. No argument I make is going to make them go away (and if they ever do change it will be on their own terms and timetable). I will note that a great many celibate pedophiles share your reaction and avoid such fantasizing — we pedophiles are a diverse lot. However, part of the civil liberties position is that you only support legal restrictions if a person's fantasy is harmful to someone else. One additional issue to consider is that perhaps despite a pedophile's best intentions, fantasizing about a particular child would lead him to later abuse that child. I noted in an earlier post that the availability of CP in society is likely to decrease child sex abuse. But there typically the children are far away and a man could never locate them even if he wanted to. But when a man is fantasizing about children he has seen with his own eyes (or pictures of children he knows), could this pose a specific danger to that specific child? A celibate pedophile should constantly be on the alert for any signs that he is becoming more likely to offend. I know from Virtuous Pedophiles discussions that many draw a line and will not fantasize about children they know personally — rarely to keep from offending, which is usually a non-issue, but to help them keep thinking about that particular child the way any other friendly adult would. Others simply think it's immoral. But I think a fair society must trust celibate pedophiles to make those judgments for themselves. Consider the analogous case with adults. Suppose a college student has the hots for the young woman in the room across the hall and fantasizes about her during his masturbation. Does this make him more likely to rape her? Conceivably, if he's the sort of man who might rape someone. Would any remotely sex-positive person fault the average college student for having such fantasies? I don't think so. They recognize his value as a human being, the strength of his sexual desires and the benefits of his getting some pleasure and relief from the fantasy. Why wouldn't we extend the same consideration to a celibate pedophile? If you find pedophile fantasies revolting, that's understandable. But if you are inclined to support restrictions on a celibate pedophile's private activities, that is close to recognizing a thought crime. Are there some thoughts that are so bad they must be punished? People who defend civil liberties answer with an emphatic "No!" About the author: Ethan Edwards is a pseudonym. I am a pedophile, always celibate, and I have never seen child pornography. My attraction is strongest to girls around 4 years old, but I am also attracted to girls and women up through their 30s or beyond. Now in my late 60s, I'm divorced and living alone. I was married for over 10 years and was heavily involved with raising my 3 daughters. For most of my career I was a successful software engineer. I am very unusual for a pedophile in that I didn't realize that I was one until I was in my 50s—but it was there all along. I am angry that we all must remain silent or risk losing everything. That was my mindset when I co-founded Virtuous Pedophiles in 2012. I soon learned of the the terror of the typical pedophile who realizes as a teenager that his attraction isn't going to go away, who has nowhere to turn for help. The injustice I am most passionate about is the harsh legal penalties imposed on pedophiles who passively view illegal images of children. I stepped down from my role as a director of Virtuous Pedophiles early in 2024 and am delighted to pass the mantle on to a younger generation. This content was taken from Ethan's longstanding blog, Celibate Pedophiles. Some of the titles and taglines have been edited for their inclusion at thepword. You can see an earlier version of the blog at the wayback machine. |

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